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		<title>By: Tony G.</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever Republicans start talking about “big government” and how bad it is, they like to point fingers at taxing and spending and try to convince us that these matters are better left for the individual states to reconcile. With that in mind, perhaps Republican voters, in their respective states, would be better served by considering the following facts in relation to the level at which the 22 red states (as well as they’re own) contribute to the national gross domestic product (GDP), and how much Federal aid they actually receive by way of the 28 blue states as our government taxes and spends.   
 
Based on U. S. Census &amp; U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) reports, we know that the residents of red states make up only 30% of the U.S. population and a meager 18% of the national GDP. Furthermore, the most recent U.S. Census Bureau’s; Tax Foundation’s “State by State Tax Burden Allocation Model” shows us that the folks in the red states are in fact and by far the most fortunate recipients of government spending. 

Here is how it works and no matter what any politician on either side of the aisle say’s to the contrary; these are the stone cold facts. The states send federal taxes to Washington and receive federal spending in return. However, some states benefit more from federal taxing and spending policies than others. Some &quot;beneficiary&quot; states receive a positive return from Uncle Sam, making other states &quot;donors&quot; who pick up the tab.

The average blue state receives only 99 cents in federal spending for every dollar spent in federal taxes. Only 13 out of the 28 blue states (less than half) receive one dollar or more. The average red state receives $1.41 for every dollar spent in federal taxes and a whopping 20 out of 22 (over 90%) receive more than a dollar. Eight red states receive more than $1.50 as opposed to only two blue states. To look at a spreadsheet with all the numbers stated thus far, is truly an eye-opening document to behold.

Perhaps Republican voters should examine numbers such as these to better understand exactly where it is that their bread is buttered in terms of true stimulus, instead of holding on to economic theories and mistruths that still drive them to vote against their own interests. 

Each time some Republican representative of Congress or Senate stands to address their respective body or some under informed and misleading entertainer like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity brazenly preach the same principles that got our country in trouble to begin with, Republican voters might ask themselves the same question that Democrats have been asking for years: Just who are Republican politicians talking to? 

Hubert Humphrey once said something like: “How many times do you have to be hit over the head before you realize who it is that’s hitting you?”  All of that reaching out to Republican politicians stuff was a nice and all, but maybe this is the dose of reality that voters in this country need to stomach before any true healing can begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever Republicans start talking about “big government” and how bad it is, they like to point fingers at taxing and spending and try to convince us that these matters are better left for the individual states to reconcile. With that in mind, perhaps Republican voters, in their respective states, would be better served by considering the following facts in relation to the level at which the 22 red states (as well as they’re own) contribute to the national gross domestic product (GDP), and how much Federal aid they actually receive by way of the 28 blue states as our government taxes and spends.   </p>
<p>Based on U. S. Census &amp; U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) reports, we know that the residents of red states make up only 30% of the U.S. population and a meager 18% of the national GDP. Furthermore, the most recent U.S. Census Bureau’s; Tax Foundation’s “State by State Tax Burden Allocation Model” shows us that the folks in the red states are in fact and by far the most fortunate recipients of government spending. </p>
<p>Here is how it works and no matter what any politician on either side of the aisle say’s to the contrary; these are the stone cold facts. The states send federal taxes to Washington and receive federal spending in return. However, some states benefit more from federal taxing and spending policies than others. Some &#8220;beneficiary&#8221; states receive a positive return from Uncle Sam, making other states &#8220;donors&#8221; who pick up the tab.</p>
<p>The average blue state receives only 99 cents in federal spending for every dollar spent in federal taxes. Only 13 out of the 28 blue states (less than half) receive one dollar or more. The average red state receives $1.41 for every dollar spent in federal taxes and a whopping 20 out of 22 (over 90%) receive more than a dollar. Eight red states receive more than $1.50 as opposed to only two blue states. To look at a spreadsheet with all the numbers stated thus far, is truly an eye-opening document to behold.</p>
<p>Perhaps Republican voters should examine numbers such as these to better understand exactly where it is that their bread is buttered in terms of true stimulus, instead of holding on to economic theories and mistruths that still drive them to vote against their own interests. </p>
<p>Each time some Republican representative of Congress or Senate stands to address their respective body or some under informed and misleading entertainer like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity brazenly preach the same principles that got our country in trouble to begin with, Republican voters might ask themselves the same question that Democrats have been asking for years: Just who are Republican politicians talking to? </p>
<p>Hubert Humphrey once said something like: “How many times do you have to be hit over the head before you realize who it is that’s hitting you?”  All of that reaching out to Republican politicians stuff was a nice and all, but maybe this is the dose of reality that voters in this country need to stomach before any true healing can begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick in Oxnard</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3486</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick in Oxnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep can&#039;t wait for McSame to take care of those crooks on Wall Street He will be jailing all those lobbyist that have persuaded congress to eliminate the safe banking regulations enacted after the Depression to prevent this mess we find ourselves in today oh wait sorry he is not jailing them he hired them they are all of his advisors to the campaign now including Sen Phil (bunch of crybabies) Graham! Oh brother lets get some real change in Washington not more of the Keating Five McSame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep can&#8217;t wait for McSame to take care of those crooks on Wall Street He will be jailing all those lobbyist that have persuaded congress to eliminate the safe banking regulations enacted after the Depression to prevent this mess we find ourselves in today oh wait sorry he is not jailing them he hired them they are all of his advisors to the campaign now including Sen Phil (bunch of crybabies) Graham! Oh brother lets get some real change in Washington not more of the Keating Five McSame!</p>
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		<title>By: John McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3485</link>
		<dc:creator>John McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth Hurts! Correction though, W&#039;s number is way low. Also, it does not include the war(s) because a lot of that money is off balance sheet.  Also, W&#039;s number is greater that the total of all, and I mean all, previous presidents.  Love those fiscal conservatives!

Sorry, there does seem to be an ideological difference.  The neo-conservatives are the &quot;Spend and don&#039;t pay for it party&quot;.  They leave it to future generations.  Seems to be OK with them.  So, wonder who is benefiting from this &quot;spend and don&#039;t pay for it&quot; philosophy?  Ummmmm.

Notice I didn&#039;t use the word Republican.  They don&#039;t exit anymore - their party has been hijacked.  You gotta love greed.
John in Denver</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth Hurts! Correction though, W&#8217;s number is way low. Also, it does not include the war(s) because a lot of that money is off balance sheet.  Also, W&#8217;s number is greater that the total of all, and I mean all, previous presidents.  Love those fiscal conservatives!</p>
<p>Sorry, there does seem to be an ideological difference.  The neo-conservatives are the &#8220;Spend and don&#8217;t pay for it party&#8221;.  They leave it to future generations.  Seems to be OK with them.  So, wonder who is benefiting from this &#8220;spend and don&#8217;t pay for it&#8221; philosophy?  Ummmmm.</p>
<p>Notice I didn&#8217;t use the word Republican.  They don&#8217;t exit anymore - their party has been hijacked.  You gotta love greed.<br />
John in Denver</p>
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		<title>By: marku</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>marku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gents, despite what you have heard from the drive-by media and your goofball professors, jon smirl has given you some insight toward the true situation. marku.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gents, despite what you have heard from the drive-by media and your goofball professors, jon smirl has given you some insight toward the true situation. marku.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Smirl</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3404</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Smirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress authorizes all spending, the president can only veto it. The president submits budgets to the House which are then ignored. House also has to authorize the war spending. You&#039;re looking in the wrong place, the House is where the problem is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress authorizes all spending, the president can only veto it. The president submits budgets to the House which are then ignored. House also has to authorize the war spending. You&#8217;re looking in the wrong place, the House is where the problem is.</p>
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		<title>By: http://randomised.blogspot.com/</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>http://randomised.blogspot.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting point.

The article comments: &lt;i&gt;Interestingly [borrowing from social security], this most likely was not even a conscious decision by Clinton. &lt;/i&gt;

So, what did Clinton do, that the others did not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting point.</p>
<p>The article comments: <i>Interestingly [borrowing from social security], this most likely was not even a conscious decision by Clinton. </i></p>
<p>So, what did Clinton do, that the others did not?</p>
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		<title>By: James D</title>
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		<dc:creator>James D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only problem is that the &#039;surplus&#039; under Clinton wasn&#039;t a surplus at all: he simply raided the Social Security Trust Fund: http://www.letxa.com/articles/16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only problem is that the &#8216;surplus&#8217; under Clinton wasn&#8217;t a surplus at all: he simply raided the Social Security Trust Fund: <a href="http://www.letxa.com/articles/16" rel="nofollow">http://www.letxa.com/articles/16</a></p>
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		<title>By: jdub</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3397</link>
		<dc:creator>jdub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marku: Please see my &lt;a href=&quot;http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3374&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;earlier response&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3411">marku</a>: Please see my <a href="http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3374" rel="nofollow">earlier response</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: marku</title>
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		<dc:creator>marku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what does this have to do with linux, or gnome, or anything related?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does this have to do with linux, or gnome, or anything related?</p>
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		<title>By: jdub</title>
		<link>http://bethesignal.org/blog/2008/08/08/fiscal-conservative-vs-tax-spend-liberal/#comment-3395</link>
		<dc:creator>jdub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of sparklines, check out the blog history sparkline I&#039;ve been playing with on my &lt;a href=&quot;http://bethesignal.org/tags/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tag cloud&lt;/a&gt; page.

I&#039;ll probably turn this into a plugin at some point, but haven&#039;t 100% figured out what the best way of doing that would be. I don&#039;t think it would be quite as cool as a widget on my site... but maybe it would elsewhere. Hmm. :-)

(Bonus: The colour of the sparkline changes with the hourly colours of my blog theme!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of sparklines, check out the blog history sparkline I&#8217;ve been playing with on my <a href="http://bethesignal.org/tags/" rel="nofollow">tag cloud</a> page.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably turn this into a plugin at some point, but haven&#8217;t 100% figured out what the best way of doing that would be. I don&#8217;t think it would be quite as cool as a widget on my site&#8230; but maybe it would elsewhere. Hmm. <img src='http://bethesignal.org/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Bonus: The colour of the sparkline changes with the hourly colours of my blog theme!)</p>
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