Comments on: QoTD: Steve Ballmer http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/ where we're going, we don't need roads... Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:08:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1-alpha-10188 hourly 1 By: jdub http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2425 jdub Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:20:58 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2425 <a href="http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2423" rel="nofollow">DBMOODB</a>, I can't imagine what would be more "silliness bashing" and less "distro bashing" than this. It's actually really sad that the great work Novell and my friends there are doing ends up being overlooked due to stupid business decisions. DBMOODB, I can’t imagine what would be more “silliness bashing” and less “distro bashing” than this. It’s actually really sad that the great work Novell and my friends there are doing ends up being overlooked due to stupid business decisions.

]]> By: DBMOODB http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2423 DBMOODB Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:57 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2423 Novell makes this possible jdub ?.... That is like saying a bully is not responsible for their own actions, it was Jimmy who said were Timmy was after Jimmy was beaten. Do not blame Jimmy. Novell has a commercial agenda to follow. I would rather Novell stays afloat. They do after all own unix now. Besides the Novell microsoft deal makes some interesting legal questions possible to test in court (gpl3). I wish there was less distro bashing and more silliness bashing. Novell makes this possible jdub ?….
That is like saying a bully is not responsible for their own actions, it was Jimmy who said were Timmy was after Jimmy was beaten. Do not blame Jimmy. Novell has a commercial agenda to follow. I would rather Novell stays afloat. They do after all own unix now. Besides the Novell microsoft deal makes some interesting legal questions possible to test in court (gpl3). I wish there was less distro bashing and more silliness bashing.

]]> By: Grazie ancora, Novell! « pollycoke :) http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2417 Grazie ancora, Novell! « pollycoke :) Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:06:11 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2417 [...] per portare Microsoft in tribunale per diffamazione. In ogni caso non posso fare a meno di ripetere con lui: grazie ancora, Novell! Grazie per aver facilitato la politica arraffatrice e corrotta di Microsoft e per aver avallato [...] [...] per portare Microsoft in tribunale per diffamazione. In ogni caso non posso fare a meno di ripetere con lui: grazie ancora, Novell! Grazie per aver facilitato la politica arraffatrice e corrotta di Microsoft e per aver avallato [...]

]]> By: Zexy http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2416 Zexy Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:16:07 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2416 I hold the patent for wishful thinking and I figure Windbag Ballmer now owes me about $27.3M :) I hold the patent for wishful thinking and I figure Windbag Ballmer now owes me about $27.3M :)

]]> By: wjl (Wolfgang Lonien) http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2415 wjl (Wolfgang Lonien) Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:57:02 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2415 jdub - I know you're a Gnome developer, and I can understand your feelings regarding Novell. Maybe we should think about re-licensing from LGPL to GPL? IANAL, but that would mean to stand united in RMS's words (see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html on that topic). In other news, I was just wondering about how long Microsoft can still afford keeping that bloke (see http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=461). Stole his words from Groklaw, just in case anyone is interested. cheers, wjl jdub - I know you’re a Gnome developer, and I can understand your feelings regarding Novell. Maybe we should think about re-licensing from LGPL to GPL? IANAL, but that would mean to stand united in RMS’s words (see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html on that topic).

In other news, I was just wondering about how long Microsoft can still afford keeping that bloke (see http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=461). Stole his words from Groklaw, just in case anyone is interested.

cheers,
wjl

]]> By: http://wrevolution.org/snap http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2414 http://wrevolution.org/snap Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:16:42 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2414 thanks novell for what? selling out non-novell linux users? yeah, right. thanks a lot novell. everytime ballmer opens his mouth, another linux user vows never to use suse. thanks novell for what? selling out non-novell linux users? yeah, right. thanks a lot novell.

everytime ballmer opens his mouth, another linux user vows never to use suse.

]]> By: Sean Kelley http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2413 Sean Kelley Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:35:49 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2413 Agree completely. Although Novell go out of their way to play games with saying they disagree with MS' patent claims. The truth of the matter is they are dividing the community and they are essentially paying MS royalty. One can call that royalty anything one wants but it is ultimately feeding the patent claims and being leveraged by MS to justify further division and inroads in the community. I choose to not use Novell's Suse/Opensuse at work. A small protest I know, but a significant one for me. Agree completely. Although Novell go out of their way to play games with saying they disagree with MS’ patent claims. The truth of the matter is they are dividing the community and they are essentially paying MS royalty. One can call that royalty anything one wants but it is ultimately feeding the patent claims and being leveraged by MS to justify further division and inroads in the community. I choose to not use Novell’s Suse/Opensuse at work. A small protest I know, but a significant one for me.

]]> By: Don Marti http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2412 Don Marti Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:31:24 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2412 Red Hat is the wrong company to go for a declaratory judgment on this issue. What you need is a <a href="http://www.linuxworld.com/community/?q=node/605" rel="nofollow">reverse patent troll</a>. Red Hat is the wrong company to go for a declaratory judgment on this issue. What you need is a reverse patent troll.

]]> By: Stoffe http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2411 Stoffe Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:38:26 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2411 It is not people calling Novell out that is breaking up the open source community - if anyone is doing any breaking, it's Novell. Trying to ignore this fact, cover it up and "don't mention the war" is not going to help anyone, only Novell fixing things will. To be really harsh, a smaller community of loyal followers is better than a larger where some lets the huns in through a backdoor. Novell have contributed a lot, but now they seem to put all their effort and eggs in the basket that says that Microsoft is the future and they just want to carve a little piece of that, on the expense of everyone else. Supporting bad and semi-closed formats (OOXML in ISO, worldwide, Silverlight, .NET and so on and so on). I guess they are betting and hoping that MS will win the desktop and format wars yet again and wants to stand there beside it. Like they would be allowed to remain after the rest is gone. How much better it would have been to side with the rest of the the FOSS community and try to go for an open, non-locked world. But at the very least they could stop actively supporting the closed world... It is not people calling Novell out that is breaking up the open source community - if anyone is doing any breaking, it’s Novell.

Trying to ignore this fact, cover it up and “don’t mention the war” is not going to help anyone, only Novell fixing things will.

To be really harsh, a smaller community of loyal followers is better than a larger where some lets the huns in through a backdoor.

Novell have contributed a lot, but now they seem to put all their effort and eggs in the basket that says that Microsoft is the future and they just want to carve a little piece of that, on the expense of everyone else. Supporting bad and semi-closed formats (OOXML in ISO, worldwide, Silverlight, .NET and so on and so on).

I guess they are betting and hoping that MS will win the desktop and format wars yet again and wants to stand there beside it. Like they would be allowed to remain after the rest is gone. How much better it would have been to side with the rest of the the FOSS community and try to go for an open, non-locked world.

But at the very least they could stop actively supporting the closed world…

]]> By: Wade Mealing http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2410 Wade Mealing Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:12:16 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/10/09/qotd-steve-ballmer-2/#comment-2410 Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat, but I don't represent them, legally or otherwise. > Blaming Novell for Microsoft completely twisting a business deal is just > pointless. I really wish people wouldn’t do it. You'll have to give Novell management more credit than that. It was obvious to anyone even before this announcement that Microsoft would use the Suse/Novell agreement to leverage their intellectual property, it even states so in the Patent protection agreement to SuSe customers. It doesn't matter what their Novell/SuSe "intentions" were or are, Novell "sold out" the open source community, and continues to damage open source through their lack of action. Note to jdub, this might be too flamey for your blog, feel free not to publish if so. Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat, but I don’t represent them, legally or otherwise.

> Blaming Novell for Microsoft completely twisting a business deal is just
> pointless. I really wish people wouldn’t do it.

You’ll have to give Novell management more credit than that. It was obvious to anyone even before this announcement that Microsoft would use the Suse/Novell agreement to leverage their intellectual property, it even states so in the Patent protection agreement to SuSe customers.

It doesn’t matter what their Novell/SuSe “intentions” were or are, Novell “sold out” the open source community, and continues to damage open source through their lack of action.

Note to jdub, this might be too flamey for your blog, feel free not to publish if so.

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