Comments on: Linux for… Ladies? http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ where we're going, we don't need roads... Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:58:05 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: arne http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2395 arne Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:38:46 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2395 I wouldn't mind a nice Ubuntu shirt actually, but why is it that when a 'cool' company offers shirts of their brand, they allmost never offer the simplest of shirt: Black regular shirt, big logo on the front. Why ALLWAYS place a tiny logo/brand on a silly location, accompanied by a silly catchphrase??? I wouldn’t mind a nice Ubuntu shirt actually, but why is it that when a ‘cool’ company offers shirts of their brand, they allmost never offer the simplest of shirt:

Black regular shirt, big logo on the front.

Why ALLWAYS place a tiny logo/brand on a silly location, accompanied by a silly catchphrase???

]]> By: Michael http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2277 Michael Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:02:17 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2277 I'd agree with you Jeff; esp. the "ladies" bit. I just think of Little Britain myself. I guess the thing is, that there is a different between "Linux for Women" and "Linux for Ladies". I’d agree with you Jeff; esp. the “ladies” bit.

I just think of Little Britain myself.

I guess the thing is, that there is a different between “Linux for Women” and “Linux for Ladies”.

]]> By: Amayita http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2273 Amayita Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:15:48 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2273 Thanks, Jeff, I am with you. Thanks, Jeff, I am with you.

]]> By: Adam http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2272 Adam Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:32:55 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2272 I think this t-shirt was intended to help female linux users bond with each other. Many female-only clubs at uni have hoodies and t-shirts that emphasize their sex and I think many women will buy and enjoy this t-shirt. I think any discussion about discrimination and what is appropriate to go on a t-shirt has to be relative to the world outside free software and computers. When I step outside I see a lot more of women flaunting their femininity than this t-shirt ever could - i.e. Many women enjoy doing it. If you would feel an outcast wearing this t-shirt then don't wear it. As long as it is not offencive to women then I don't see the problem. I think this t-shirt was intended to help female linux users bond with each other. Many female-only clubs at uni have hoodies and t-shirts that emphasize their sex and I think many women will buy and enjoy this t-shirt.

I think any discussion about discrimination and what is appropriate to go on a t-shirt has to be relative to the world outside free software and computers. When I step outside I see a lot more of women flaunting their femininity than this t-shirt ever could - i.e. Many women enjoy doing it.

If you would feel an outcast wearing this t-shirt then don’t wear it. As long as it is not offencive to women then I don’t see the problem.

]]> By: jeremy Anderson http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2271 jeremy Anderson Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:20:48 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2271 O.k. Last time I post on this... well unless I change my mind. Women are different from men. Just like each individual man is different from other men. Is the real question where this discrimination is being held? For one I will get past that this is a woman's t-shirt with a saying on the back of it that says that it is a woman's t-shirt. (Last I looked women are covered under the label "Human Beings" also.) I am really trying to understand this and I am not trying to be a pain in the butt... I have been in the IT field for around 20 years and I have not seen women be put down or degraded based on the work that they do or who they are. Now if you have been then I am sorry, but the fact that this is a t-shirt, and that we all are different in some way or another, and that a woman is a woman a man is a man, then I don't see a problem with this advertisement. I would like one made "linux for grandpas/grandmas" but then we may get attached by the elderly saying they aren't human beings because they are old? O.k. Last time I post on this… well unless I change my mind. Women are different from men. Just like each individual man is different from other men. Is the real question where this discrimination is being held? For one I will get past that this is a woman’s t-shirt with a saying on the back of it that says that it is a woman’s t-shirt. (Last I looked women are covered under the label “Human Beings” also.) I am really trying to understand this and I am not trying to be a pain in the butt… I have been in the IT field for around 20 years and I have not seen women be put down or degraded based on the work that they do or who they are. Now if you have been then I am sorry, but the fact that this is a t-shirt, and that we all are different in some way or another, and that a woman is a woman a man is a man, then I don’t see a problem with this advertisement. I would like one made “linux for grandpas/grandmas” but then we may get attached by the elderly saying they aren’t human beings because they are old?

]]> By: JanC http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2270 JanC Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:05:41 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2270 Ubuntu is full of discrimination: * SABDFL vs. all other ubuntu user * Members vs. non-members * Canonical developers vs. other core developers vs. MOTU vs. other developers * Translation team members vs. other users that speak that language * (Native) English speakers vs. those who know some English vs. those who don't know English * etc. Whether those discriminations are mostly good or wrong (positive or negative), I leave that to everybody's own judgement (and I'm sure there will be different opinions on it), but at least they *do* divide the Ubuntu community into groups that are treated differently all the time. Personally, I don't think that discriminations like this T-shirt, that are not negative towards women, nor negative to non-women, should be considered as "bad" and "not-done". It would be different if that slogan would be on all items in the shop, but now it's on one piece of clothing that's obviously meant to be worn by women (which of course is a form of discrimination too; should we forbid everything but unisex clothes in shops?). PS: actually nobody forbids men to buy & wear those T-shirts. After all, OpenBSD guys are allowed to wear an OpenBSD bikini too, as people who were at Chaos Communication Camp know... ;) Ubuntu is full of discrimination:
* SABDFL vs. all other ubuntu user
* Members vs. non-members
* Canonical developers vs. other core developers vs. MOTU vs. other developers
* Translation team members vs. other users that speak that language
* (Native) English speakers vs. those who know some English vs. those who don’t know English
* etc.

Whether those discriminations are mostly good or wrong (positive or negative), I leave that to everybody’s own judgement (and I’m sure there will be different opinions on it), but at least they *do* divide the Ubuntu community into groups that are treated differently all the time.

Personally, I don’t think that discriminations like this T-shirt, that are not negative towards women, nor negative to non-women, should be considered as “bad” and “not-done”. It would be different if that slogan would be on all items in the shop, but now it’s on one piece of clothing that’s obviously meant to be worn by women (which of course is a form of discrimination too; should we forbid everything but unisex clothes in shops?).

PS: actually nobody forbids men to buy & wear those T-shirts. After all, OpenBSD guys are allowed to wear an OpenBSD bikini too, as people who were at Chaos Communication Camp know… ;)

]]> By: jdub http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2269 jdub Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:38:47 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2269 <a href="http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2266" rel="nofollow">Gabriel</a>, the "Linux for Ladies" banner is on the back. My post was about the words, not the image. :-) Gabriel, the “Linux for Ladies” banner is on the back. My post was about the words, not the image. :-)

]]> By: Gabriel http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2266 Gabriel Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:37:02 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2266 I like the picture it was taken while someone was wearing it and they just removed the face... but you can still see some hair. on the left shoulder. well and the seam line of the bra. doesn't all women's clothes have something which draws attention to there breasts ? (i don't see how this shirt is out of line with society ) I like the picture it was taken while someone was wearing it and they just removed the face… but you can still see some hair. on the left shoulder.

well and the seam line of the bra.

doesn’t all women’s clothes have something which draws attention to there breasts ? (i don’t see how this shirt is out of line with society )

]]> By: jdub http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2265 jdub Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:44:32 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2265 <a href="http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2260" rel="nofollow">Jeremy</a>, you've missed the point again. It's not about "being hurtful", it's about always making women feel "different" or "separate" from everyone else. You might not understand it, but there's a behavioural and social cost when it's the same tune day-in, day-out. Jeremy, you’ve missed the point again. It’s not about “being hurtful”, it’s about always making women feel “different” or “separate” from everyone else. You might not understand it, but there’s a behavioural and social cost when it’s the same tune day-in, day-out.

]]> By: sharms http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2263 sharms Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:39:00 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/#comment-2263 Yes, we have reached that point in time where it is totally incorrect to acknowledge anyone as individual or any sort of identifying traits. For instance, if you guys ever point out my blond hair I am going to have a fit. Blonds have a negative stereotype, and as such, if anyone points out that I have blond hair, you will suffer the wrath of my blog posts. Yes, we have reached that point in time where it is totally incorrect to acknowledge anyone as individual or any sort of identifying traits. For instance, if you guys ever point out my blond hair I am going to have a fit. Blonds have a negative stereotype, and as such, if anyone points out that I have blond hair, you will suffer the wrath of my blog posts.

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