Comments on: QoTD: Miguel de Icaza http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/ where we're going, we don't need roads... Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:55:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Calum http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-951 Calum Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:24:06 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-951 Has anyone actually demonstrated a *need* for ribbons in gtk anyway, sharp or otherwise? We don't have to do everything Microsoft does-- they backtrack often enough on UI ideas themselves that they thought were a great idea at the time, but turn out to be less than stellar in practice. Do we want to have to keep tying ourselves in knots along with them? IIRC even the OSX version of Office 2007 isn't going to have ribbons, it's going to have something that fits with the Apple UI Guidelines, because that's what Mac users demanded. That's the approach we should be taking: what's going to work best for *our* users? Has anyone actually demonstrated a *need* for ribbons in gtk anyway, sharp or otherwise?

We don’t have to do everything Microsoft does– they backtrack often enough on UI ideas themselves that they thought were a great idea at the time, but turn out to be less than stellar in practice. Do we want to have to keep tying ourselves in knots along with them?

IIRC even the OSX version of Office 2007 isn’t going to have ribbons, it’s going to have something that fits with the Apple UI Guidelines, because that’s what Mac users demanded. That’s the approach we should be taking: what’s going to work best for *our* users?

]]> By: erik http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-950 erik Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:13:33 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-950 It's sweet, the Wikipedia page doesn't tell it all. The way it affects Office 2007 is that it steers subtly people more away from trying to do things the hard way. Like, running in menus, making tiny manual adjustments to the formatting and such. It contains less stuff and encourages the use of styles everywhere etc. Furthermore it actually is most usually correct about the guesses on what you are trying to accomplish. It feels very intuitive and great to work with and that feature alone is a good enough reason to throw away OOo and use the Microsoft Office... It’s sweet, the Wikipedia page doesn’t tell it all. The way it affects Office 2007 is that it steers subtly people more away from trying to do things the hard way. Like, running in menus, making tiny manual adjustments to the formatting and such. It contains less stuff and encourages the use of styles everywhere etc. Furthermore it actually is most usually correct about the guesses on what you are trying to accomplish. It feels very intuitive and great to work with and that feature alone is a good enough reason to throw away OOo and use the Microsoft Office…

]]> By: Ryan Paul http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-949 Ryan Paul Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:58:30 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-949 It's worth noting that Microsoft has applied for a patent on the ribbon and that Microsoft is only allowing royalty-free use of the ribbon paradigm in cases specifically approved by the company. It’s worth noting that Microsoft has applied for a patent on the ribbon and that Microsoft is only allowing royalty-free use of the ribbon paradigm in cases specifically approved by the company.

]]> By: Nil Gradisnik http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-948 Nil Gradisnik Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:34:02 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-948 I see... and how is this so different than using GTK Notebook and placing all sorts of widgets inside ? I see… and how is this so different than using GTK Notebook and placing all sorts of widgets inside ?

]]> By: Hugo Vincent http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-947 Hugo Vincent Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:42:08 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-947 Perhaps Vala (http://live.gnome.org/Vala) is the answer. Write it with C#-like syntax, but compile it to plain C (thus exposing a C-API). I'm not sure if Vala is stable/complete/robust enough for this yet, but it seems like it has the potential to become on of the most important and central Gnome/Gobject technologies. Perhaps Vala (http://live.gnome.org/Vala) is the answer. Write it with C#-like syntax, but compile it to plain C (thus exposing a C-API). I’m not sure if Vala is stable/complete/robust enough for this yet, but it seems like it has the potential to become on of the most important and central Gnome/Gobject technologies.

]]> By: Mathias Hasselmann http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-946 Mathias Hasselmann Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:10:54 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-946 @Nil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_%28computing%29 @Nil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_%28computing%29

]]> By: Nil Gradisnik http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-945 Nil Gradisnik Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:30:53 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-945 Can someone explain what on earth is Office-like ribbon ? Screenshot please :) Can someone explain what on earth is Office-like ribbon ?
Screenshot please :)

]]> By: Me http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-944 Me Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:44:04 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-944 Maybe it doesn't have to be C (though that's a good ABI standard), but it'd definitely rock to have a communications standard, so that you could implement confoming widgets in any language, not just C#. Something more like a component communications protocol. Well, maybe something like this will end up being part of the proposed stuff. Maybe it doesn’t have to be C (though that’s a good ABI standard), but it’d definitely rock to have a communications standard, so that you could implement confoming widgets in any language, not just C#.

Something more like a component communications protocol.

Well, maybe something like this will end up being part of the proposed stuff.

]]> By: Mathias Hasselmann http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-943 Mathias Hasselmann Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:58:57 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-943 For the databinding part I fully agree with Miguel: It is something .NET programmers expect being able to do, so Gtk# should offer this. But this doesn't mean we cannot do something similiar for plain GTK+: GObject introspection is near from being complete, but at least we can list all properties of a class. So it should be possible to implement tree models based on property introspection... For the databinding part I fully agree with Miguel: It is something .NET programmers expect being able to do, so Gtk# should offer this. But this doesn’t mean we cannot do something similiar for plain GTK+: GObject introspection is near from being complete, but at least we can list all properties of a class. So it should be possible to implement tree models based on property introspection…

]]> By: Scott http://bethesignal.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-941 Scott Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:47:35 +0000 http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/03/27/qotd-miguel-de-icaza/#comment-941 It's about the technology. Why write new widgets in C when you can do it in C#? If I were doing it I know what I'd choose. It’s about the technology. Why write new widgets in C when you can do it in C#? If I were doing it I know what I’d choose.

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